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Lion Cask
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How Many People Are Still Happy That They Married Their Mate?
by minimus ini know of someone that has made no bones about being somewhat unhappily married.
they got married because they "fooled around" and felt it was the "right thing to do".. i wonder how many people are unhappily married?
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How Many People Are Still Happy That They Married Their Mate?
by minimus ini know of someone that has made no bones about being somewhat unhappily married.
they got married because they "fooled around" and felt it was the "right thing to do".. i wonder how many people are unhappily married?
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Lion Cask
37 years, 4 months and 29 days. She was 19, I was 21. She told me five years later she wanted to become baptised a Jehovah's Witness. I said no. She did it anyway, and we have not been completely on the same page since. We have had some bad times but mostly good times together.
But, to your question, yes, I would marry her over again. But that would require going back in time and, while I was there, I'd make sure neither of us ever came into contact with the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. I know our lives together would have been better. Back here in the real world, I still have hope to win back her mind, because I love her more than life itself.
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If you could ask one question to an active JW to get them to open their mind about their beliefs, what would it be?
by Franklin Massey inthis question was posed to me by a poster named ice cream.
i don't know my answer yet.
it's one of those, "if you could have just one wish.." kind of questions.
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One of the telling hallmarks of fundamentalist belief systems is their propensity to embrace science that either conforms to, supports or is not otherwise in conflict with their established dogma. However, when science appears to contradict or disprove said dogma, it is automatically rejected out of hand. It does not conform to The Truth, therefore there cannot be any doubt that it is false.
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I'm so very saddened right now
by sooner7nc ini just received this from an old friend on fb.
i can't hang with an apostate or someone cheering.
on apostates...of course, if jw's are not your cup.
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Thank you for clarifying that for me, Joliette, that puts a different complexion on the statement from your father. Ie, it was not intended to be helpful or supportive but to put you down. My mistake.
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I'm so very saddened right now
by sooner7nc ini just received this from an old friend on fb.
i can't hang with an apostate or someone cheering.
on apostates...of course, if jw's are not your cup.
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MY FATHER TOLD ME TO GET OVER IT!
Unless your father has set out to make you fail (unlikely) he's giving you advice he thinks you'll benefit from. He might deserve a little more credit for the experience he has gained over the years of his life, which outnumber your own. Not a lecture. Life is heavy. Deal with it. When you're as old as I am and look back on the years your father was alive you'll get what I mean.
This situation is messed up because people allow their minds to get so fixed on things they are blind to anything else. What makes it heartbreaking is that sooner7nc's eyes have been opened and he can't open the eyes of those he cares about, and the consequence of that is he is victimised by the WTS. He's got a lot of company.
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I'm so very saddened right now
by sooner7nc ini just received this from an old friend on fb.
i can't hang with an apostate or someone cheering.
on apostates...of course, if jw's are not your cup.
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Lion Cask
Tough one.
Shake the dust out of your sandals and move on. Time is going to move on, no matter what happens. Make a success of your life, and that will be all the vindication you will ever need.
All the best.
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The WTS Is a Bunch of Legalistic, Lost-In-The-50's, Clueless Buffoons!!!
by snowbird inthey've made a mockery of the teachings of jesus of nazareth.. syl.
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I think you'll have to agree that His teachings are nonpareil.
Not unqualified. While I agree that Jesus' moral values were a great improvement over the moral bankruptsy of the OT, I still disagree with some of what he taught and represented. His forgiveness of the adulteress in John 8:3-11 was questionable, since he usurped without permission the role of the agrieved spouse. But he did this on a regular basis - what do you make of a man who announces forgiveness for wrongs not done against him? Jesus was also a rather rigid Jewish sectarian which we see in Matthew 15:21-28 where he expresses contempt for a Canaanite woman who begged him for help but was comtemptuously told that he would not waste his energy on a gentile, although he was subsequently persuaded by his disciples to lighten up and intercede. One does not detect a great deal of generosity from Jesus of Nazareth toward non-Jews in general. It was Paul who thought of bringing the Jewish God to the gentiles, for example, not Jesus of Nazareth. More in particular, I have no admiration for the family values of Jesus of Nazareth. He was more than once rude with his own mother (John 2:3-4, Luke 2:48-49) and he made it a non-negotiable requirement of his disciples to abandon their families to follow him. 'If any man come to me and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.' Luke 14:26. I find this to be a bit ironic when the WTS is justfiably criticized on this board for driving wedges between family members. Isn't that what cults do? That is, get you to reject your family in order to inculcate you?
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If you could ask one question to an active JW to get them to open their mind about their beliefs, what would it be?
by Franklin Massey inthis question was posed to me by a poster named ice cream.
i don't know my answer yet.
it's one of those, "if you could have just one wish.." kind of questions.
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One I like a lot is the question that worked for Seven006, which he reported in his 'Two Week Consulting Trip' thread. His experience over the previous couple of weeks unlocked the door but it was this question that caused it to open up:
"Do you really and honestly believe that the whole world is in a world of shit, because a talking snake, told a naked lady, to eat a piece of fruit"?
It is a very, very long post but worth the time for anyone interested in what caused one particular Witness to break free. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/64463/1/Repost-My-Two-Week-Consulting-Trip-to-Bethel
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If you could ask one question to an active JW to get them to open their mind about their beliefs, what would it be?
by Franklin Massey inthis question was posed to me by a poster named ice cream.
i don't know my answer yet.
it's one of those, "if you could have just one wish.." kind of questions.
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Lion Cask
There will be one question, honestly answered, that can open the door just a tiny crack, after which further questions that might have been initially dismissed could be given some reticent consideration. The challenge is to find that one question because it will not be the same for everyone. The one I would try first is:
If the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is not what it represents itself to be, would you want to know?
If the answer is "no" (or some variation of denial), I might be inclined to point out the blindness of faith and move on in search of another question. If the answer is "yes", the dialogue will have begun.
Interestingly, I have asked this very question of my wife but she has so far declined to answer and I have not pressed it. I take the lack of an answer as possibly a good thing, albeit a very small good thing. I will leave the question to lay fallow in her mind for a time before I ask it again.
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The WTS Is a Bunch of Legalistic, Lost-In-The-50's, Clueless Buffoons!!!
by snowbird inthey've made a mockery of the teachings of jesus of nazareth.. syl.
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There are also non-buffoons, one might even typify them as highly cognisant individuals, who don't think much of Jesus Christ either (or who perceive him to be a fictional character, or maybe a delusional character whose alleged teachings were cobbled together by several ancient desert dwellers who were postulating their own agenda.
But I do agree the WTS is an abomination.